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Poster: clashcity Date: Oct 21, 2011 8:02pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Too faithful fan base

When this topic comes up I always think of the 3/19/95 show when they played Unbroken Chain.

I reckon I'm somewhat of a young'n compared to some folks who frequent here. Unlike some of my friends (who were older than me) I missed out on the 89-90-91 shows that they got to attend.

Anyhow - Standing there in the Spectrum and the collective realization of what it was we were all hearing was quite a thrill. Euphoric even.

Looking back and listening to it from the comfort of my easy chair the experience is quite a bit different.

Hell, even after the effects of "The First Ever Unbroken Chain" wore off during the dismal 2nd set of that show my thought turned to "Now why the hell didn't they do that when they were capable of pulling it off."

Not sure exactly my point after all of that... but I think it cuts many ways.

I always thought I saw crap shows because it wasn't Fillmore West 1969, Europe 72 or anytime 73/74. Some folks don't see it that way. Good for them I suppose.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Oct 21, 2011 9:27pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Too faithful fan base; whine first, care later

74-82; I've said it so often, but the more I think about it, the more bizarre it is that it took me so long to come out of the closet. At the time, I always kept it to myself that they didn't sound like the late 60s, very early 70s band I had loved for yrs as a kid...I knew they were getting older, but still--I'd put so much energy into promoting them to all my friends and relatives, I really never articulated to anyone, til here really, how much I felt something was missing at those shows. I still defended them, any and all comers, but by the mid 80s I stopped talking about them, listened to old albums and largely let it go...

It's only the past five yrs I really came to understand how much I missed, and how much more I liked the early era...and now all I do is irritate folks by bringing it up, but hey, you got to have something you care enough to whine about incessantly or else why bother getting up in the morning, ya know?

Or is it why bother logging on in the morning? I can never remember which...

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Poster: pequastogy Date: Oct 22, 2011 8:39am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Too faithful fan base; whine first, care later

I think we are talking about two very different points of view here and they are mutually exclusive.
I think good shows can only be judged by first hand personal experience. If you went to a show and 10-20 thousand heads were energized by the band and the band by them, you left after the encore saying that was a good show, 60's,70's,80's 90's whenever. You can't tell me then nor now that it wasn't a good show by listening to it on the archive. You could of gone and had a different experience than I did, I'd agree to disagree.

Second, whether you like a particular era better than another again is your own personal point of view based on what you've seen, what styles the band played, what songs they played, what type of music you are attracted to etc.

Please stop telling me when the band was at their peak because of what they had, who they had, how they played etc....guess what, we're all logging in for one reason:we were attracted to the music at some point of our lives and can't get it out of our heads.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Oct 22, 2011 2:02pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Too faithful fan base; whine first, care later

Wrong person--I've never told anyone they shouldn't enjoy whatever they want to.

It may seem I imply that, but that's your take; it may seem I give people a hard time for liking X or Y or Z, but that's no more than the usual: many of us "know" we are "right" about one thing or another, and thus I can say "Jack Bruce is a better bass player than so and so", OR I can say "the DEAD were better at time X" and support it with various facts, interpretations, etc., etc.

But you can always say "in spite of that truth, I LIKE time Y" and you have ever right to...just like I have the right to say "you can't say they were better, but you can certainly say you LIKE the sound".

Right?

Right.

You can also say/think "Tell is one patronizing, arrogant SOB, and is completely wrong in his overly analytical logical positivist, absolutist snobbery!" and you'd be joining one ever-expanding club, I'd wager.

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Oct 22, 2011 3:15pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Too faithful fan base; whine first, care later

> ...in his overly analytical logical positivist, absolutist snobbery!" and you'd be joining one ever-expanding club ...

Aw, crap. Positivist? Can I still be in the club? Please. Cherry on top. I have no other forum to go to.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Oct 22, 2011 6:38pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Too faithful fan base; whine first, care later

Gotta leave your Kant at the door though, eh?

;)

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Poster: Jacky Hughes Date: Oct 23, 2011 1:09pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Too faithful fan base; whine first, care later

Just for you Tell;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAqNhbFbUSs

high flow: this is the real deal ska. Urban myth has it that the genre it got it's name because the Jamaican session players described the feel as "The one that goes boom ska, boom ska". Anyhow, Prince Buster was one of the originals.

This post was modified by Jacky Hughes on 2011-10-23 20:09:26

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Oct 23, 2011 7:03am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Too faithful fan base; whine first, care later

Always good to start the day w/ a laugh.

Portia:
Tarry a little, there is something else.
This bond doth give thee here no jot of blood;
The words expressly are "a pound of flesh."

-The Merchant Of Venice